Grief is a universal experience, a journey through darkness that touches us all. Yet, within that darkness lies the potential for profound healing and transformation. Today’s episode features Deborah Hanlon, a renowned transformational guide and medium. Together, Jen and Deborah delve into the intricate world of grief, exploring its potential as a catalyst for profound personal growth and transformation. Deborah shares her unique perspective on grief, emphasizing its power to reshape our lives and beliefs. This episode invites you to reconsider your understanding of grief and embrace its potential for positive change. It is a journey of self-discovery, exploring the interplay of energy, vibration, and the power of creation in shaping our realities.
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The Alchemy Of Grief: Finding Hope And Light With Deborah Hanlon
About Deborah Hanlon
Welcome to The Art of Badassery. I’m Jenn Cassetta, your chief badassery officer. I couldn’t be more excited for this episode’s guest who you’re all about to meet. I met her while teaching a workshop five or more years ago in upstate New York in Newburgh. She is the famous Deborah Hanlon. If you haven’t heard of Deborah yet, she is a transformational guide, medium, and author of the book In the Presence of Proof that I can’t wait to hear about.
For over two decades, Deborah has empowered people to harness the transformative power of grief, helping them to heal, grow, and step into their highest potential. With a unique blend of science, spirituality, and intuition, Deborah leads her clients on a journey of self-awareness, tapping into their inner strength to unlock the lives they are destined to live. Her teachings, grounded in both psychology and metaphysics, offer a refreshing realism that honors skepticism and celebrates the mystery of the human spirit. Deborah, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me. I can’t believe it.
I can’t believe it. Deborah started showing up in my feed recently, which sometimes is a clear sign that I was supposed to be in touch with her. Sure enough, the message that you put out on social media is exactly the stuff that I’ve been learning with Dr. Joe Dispenza recently, and then I go to read in Deborah’s bio that a lot of her work has been inspired by Dr. Joe. Is that right?
Yeah. He’s one of the most brilliant minds of our time for sure.
That says a lot coming from you. Who are some of the other teachers that you mentioned as well?
There are so many, As far as names that people would know would be Deepak Chopra. I do love his science and spirituality. I’m into someone named Donald Hoffman right now. He’s a mathematician scientist who talks about consciousness and reality and puts it in some pretty intense and interesting endeavors. There are so many, James Van Praagh, from all different modalities.
You mentioned Bruce Lipton as well.
My husband and I saw Bruce Lipton, Gregg Braden, and Anita Moorjani. There are so many phenomenal human beings on this planet talking about big cool things.
I love this so much because I feel like I’ve been going towards this type of work over the last decade. It went from motivation, mindset, goal setting, and all of that stuff, which is still important. I became a high-performance coach, so I help people do that. Mixing that with this type of metaphysical world is so exciting. I feel like I’ve brought up Dr. Joe so much on this show already because I went to his retreat in person over the summer. How can you wrap up his learning? What does it mean to you? What’s your biggest takeaway from him?
He is somebody who had to learn his teaching/truth/science through personal experience. He merges an actual traumatic event, and how he climbed out of that event, then also provides the science to help others do the same. He walks his talk.
That is so important and such a great point to make because so many of us have a defining moment in our lives where things change. We go deeper into discovering why we’re here, what we’re meant to be doing, and all of that. I believe the story of your journey to becoming a medium and a transformational coach begins with a moment like that as well. Do you want to go way back and share that with us?
What happens when we die and why are we here? Those are the two big questions that I’ve questions since I was three years old. I have a four-year-old brother who died of a very rare childhood cancer. Thankfully at that time, this was 1979, my parents were pretty progressive in his care and his treatment, and who surrounded him in the family. They highly believed in science and medical intervention. We were also surrounded by all sorts of different healers. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross the founder of the entire hospice movement spent time in our home. I don’t have conscious memories of that but I do feel like I was steeped in this consciousness of this awareness about life and death.
When he died, I very much knew that he passed and he was not physically here. That wasn’t the problem. I also felt that he was still here. Yet I knew he wasn’t and I knew he was. My entire life and my early life, I was trying to find within myself what was going on. Is he here? Is he not here? Am I using my imagination? Am I using that imagination, thinking and hoping he’s around to solve the grief of my family? All these questions and these experiences led me to dive deep young. I was reading about Einstein and his theories at ten. Looking back, I thought it was normal.
When you were young, especially around the time it happened, did you experience any “paranormal” activity? Did he show himself to you?
No. It was an inner knowing and it’s important for people to know that. Leading up to what I do today with mediumship and connecting with people’s past, everything that is out there that I personally have seen is so far from the basic reality of the afterlife. That’s getting in society’s way of experiencing the afterlife because we watched movies that aren’t portraying it properly. We’re watching TV shows that are not portraying it properly.
What I mean by that is this ability to connect with consciousness, whether it’s in a physical form or otherwise, is an ability every human being on the planet has. It’s not portrayed that way. It’s portrayed as mediums are certain people who for some reason have this ability. I don’t think all people on the planet should be mediums for others. That’s where skill comes in, but as far as connecting to consciousness, we all have that ability. It’s a very internal experience.
No, I didn’t have outward paranormal experiences. I’ve had things for sure early on, not that I can remember completely, but that’s not the birthplace of all of this, which is connecting to energy versus paranormal activity. We see it as haunting. We see it as, “I saw someone appear before my eyes,” which I have seen before, but that’s not the only way it happens.
You keep going on your journey through your reading Einstein at ten, then what?
I always thought that was super normal. In hindsight, that was not typical. I was doing all the ten-year-old things as well, but I went into studying psychology, world religion, language, anthropology, and the origin of humans. I was always interested in all of that. I was more of a skeptic of the afterlife because I was trying to prove to myself that I was making it up. It was this sense. It wasn’t even like I had a specific paranormal experience. It was more of an inner, deep, and clear knowing. That knowing was more real than anything in my 10, 15, or 20-year-old outward life.
That’s what was thrusting me to figure out, “Am I making this up?” If I am, great, then I’ll know I’m making it up and I can move on, then life happened. Fast forward a few years, I was at a funeral. I was always interested in psychics and mediumship. I went to a few and I would say, “This is dumb. If our loved ones are around, why don’t they lift this pen and levitate it out of my hands so I know they’re there?” Mediums would laugh at me and I would say, “This is ridiculous. Why don’t they give more concrete proof?” As humans, we want proof. I was in search of proof and getting bits and pieces, but not enough, then I was at a funeral. I was at a funeral for a person I didn’t know well.
How old are you at this point?
I was 25. I just had a baby maybe 3 or 4 months before. Even before the funeral, when I found out that she passed, I had a flash. I experienced her life review with her. It’s the best way I can explain it. I knew exactly what this woman was feeling, seeing, experiencing, and everything during her passing. I didn’t even know she had passed yet.
Postpartum Psychosis
Fast forward, I was at the funeral and I felt her with me, which doesn’t make sense because she’s not somebody I knew well. It’s not like I would make her up. At the funeral, I was introduced to people. They would say, “This is Sean.” I would know that’s Sean, her cousin, or whoever the name is. There was a series of events that happened that were bringing me proof of either I have some sort of postpartum psychosis, which I was like, “Maybe that’s what it is,” or she’s trying to let me know so that I can share with her family that she’s alright. She’s here. Ultimately, I started bringing her through her family.
Were they shocked? Did they receive it well?
Some did. There was a moment when we were sitting in a room, and this is the moment that I went, “I’m listening to it. I promise I will not shut down on you. I will listen.” I was sitting in a chair and right over here, there was a photo of her behind me with her and all of her children and grandchildren at that point. She kept telling me to turn around and look at the picture. She would say, “I know about my face.” She gave me this feeling like something was touching her face. I was feeling a little nuts. I was looking at the picture. There was no smudge on the face.
It kept coming over and over, “Look at my face. Every night, I know about my face.” It doesn’t make any sense to me but it’s bothering me. All of a sudden, her son walks into the room, points to that picture, and says to everyone, “I kiss her face in that picture every night.” That was the moment where I went, “She’s trying to let me know to let him know that she knows.” That was the moment that I was like, “I will remain open and I promise to listen.”
Many questions are going through my head. First of all, I had to point out that the day that were filming this episode, which is not the day that it’ll be released, is the Day of the Dead.
It sure is.
You have this gift to be able to communicate with people who are somewhere in the afterlife. When people are in that grieving state, what are some things that you can share with us about grief? Either your own grief journey or even up until you got to that part of your life. Did you shift in your own grief journey?
Big time. Grief is such an intriguing emotion, and I refer to all emotions as energy. It’s an energy that moves through us. It’s a powerful one if not the most powerful. What I’ve come to learn now is that grief is the most potent transformational energy that can run through someone’s body. We’re not taught that because grief is something we all want to avoid. No one in their right mind says, “I hope that something terrible happens so that I can transform.” I would still not say that. I know that it does, but I would not ask for it.
The intensity of grief opens up a big potential for transformation. When we’re deep into grieving, whether that’s from the loss of a loved one through death or the loss of a sense of identity from losing a job or relationship, or all sorts of ways we can define loss, when we have that, it shakes us up and forces us to ask questions. It forces us to get unfortunately real with ourselves and to see and ask, “Where am I suffering? Where do I no longer want to tolerate suffering because I have this other suffering going on?” It does create such a transformational force. It’s just a time.
I love how you said that. It’s almost like, “I need to prioritize what’s terrible in my life. I only have space for this terrible thing that I lost. You know what? All that other stuff, I need to maybe set some boundaries around or not allow in my life anymore.” That’s a cool side effect or benefit of going through the grieving process.
It needs to be highlighted so we can normalize it. We can put our attention there as well because a lot of times, we have friends and family that fall away in a brief time. That’s okay. That means it’s time for that to fall away so we can open up ourselves to something new and more. Maybe lessen some guilt that comes from the grieving, or anchor when people aren’t as supportive because they can’t be, or whatever the reasons are. It opens the doorway for allowing things to be okay and still setting those boundaries.
Every time grief comes up, I think about my dad who passed away very suddenly and very unexpectedly. I remember one of my dear friends said to me at the wake that it felt like you were watching someone who died in a car crash or something. It was a shock to so many people because he was such a healthy man. I have a few things to say about grief. One, I don’t feel like this society gives us enough time to grieve. It’s like one week or whatever. My sister was home for a week and a half or maybe two weeks, and then she had to get back to work. I stayed a little longer but I still have to think of my business, how am I going to pay my bills, and all that. We don’t give ourselves the space.
Also, over time, I do feel like the grieving process has changed. Now with my grieving process through my work with Joe Dispenza, I see it in a whole new way. I’m finally understanding what you’re talking about which I don’t even know how to say yet, but it’s not as sad. I can connect to my dad or his spirit or whatever we want to call it at any point of the day if I want to, even though he doesn’t show up for me, even though he doesn’t necessarily speak to me through things or move objects. Sometimes you hear stories from other people like, “I had this dream and it was so clear.” You then feel bad because you’re like, “I never get that. I don’t get those signs. He’s so distant from me now. I’ll never have that.
We could do a whole show on that alone. That is a huge pet peeve for me and people because there’s no stock way that we were able to connect and they were able to connect with us. We have to learn our own personal language with them, which is not a universal language. It’s very personal and very individual.
The Grieving Process
Saying that it is individual, I’m assuming you walk clients through that process. Do you individualize it or do you have a framework? I don’t expect you to share the whole framework. Is there something you can teach us now on how we can do that?
First, know that. Many people say, “When so-and-so passed away, they came to me immediately. I knew they were at the service.” That’s amazing, wonderful, true, and real, but it’s not everyone’s experience. I see on Facebook all the time, “Cardinals are from your loved ones,” or butterflies, dragonflies, ladybugs, dimes, nickels, pennies, or all the things. Those are real signs for some people. Not one of them is any of my signs for my loved ones.
There are no universal signs until you create a relationship with consciousness, which is what the grieving process is. We are learning how to go from grieving a physical relationship and moving through a process to understanding that there’s an energetic infinite relationship. Laws of physics talk about quantum entanglement. Once two people meet or once two particles meet, we’re forever entangled. That’s the process of grieving from physical to quantum, from physical to energetic to spirit, or whatever you want to call it.
Once two people or two particles meet, we’re forever entangled.
That right there can change people’s lives. It’s that big. As you said, through movies and even through other examples of people. We watch old widows and they wear black. They’re unhappy and they never go on to live their lives again. That’s extreme but there are a lot of examples of that where people will never want to date again if they lose their partner or never want to get into a relationship again and all that stuff. Tell us more. We have to know that it’s possible. What I love so much about what you said is it’s a transformation. We’re transforming our relationship from physical to energetic, then what?
We are physical beings, but we’re also energetic beings.
That requires us to realize that we are physical beings, but we’re also energetic beings, spiritual beings, or whatever you want to call it. We have to then start looking at ourselves as physical and energetic. Once we start looking at ourselves as both, then that opens up a whole other world of possibilities. It makes it very clear that death is not a final end. Humans think death means over. We think done. Death is a transformation. Death means a change of form.
We need to start looking at our language. We need to start looking at our beliefs around all of it. We need to look at ourselves differently. We’re not humans who are running around a rat race on a planet to pay bills. We are so much more. We’re so trapped in that. We’re all trapped in it. We are all in. I’m in it too. I’m doing it too because I’m human. I’m in the human piece. I would say, “Zoom out, Deb, zoom out,” because this isn’t the end of the world, whatever is happening in my human life.
“I can’t afford a new table, I can’t do this, I can’t pay for my kids’ college education completely,” and all the things that were all worried about and beyond. It’s like, “I’m going to get through that too.” It’s understanding what I call in my book our human self and our higher self. We are human and we’re not going to get past that point. I don’t suggest that we try, although we need to expand that we’re not just the human limited selves. We are conscious creators of our own lives.
We are human and we are conscious creators of our own lives.
That’s the perfect segue. Here I am in this human body and this human experience. I’m not necessarily seeing the results of the things that I want to. I’m going to use the word manifest or work. I’m working towards all these things. I’m doing the work, whatever that looks like to you, but meaning I’m doing some spiritual work. I’m doing some personal development work, and I’m doing the physical work that needs to happen to reach my goals, but I’m not seeing the results yet.
I feel like I’ve been in this place for a long time in my personal life and my career life, and yet getting closer to my energetic self and learning more about this stuff. I’m like, “I just need to have more faith.” What can you say to people like me? As you said, not being able to afford the table or sending your kids to college. How does your work also translate to manifesting more of what you want in life?
It’s such a great question because we all want to know that. Our human cells are limited. Our human selves get stuck on outcomes, on the way things should be, the way we think and perceive it should happen, how we think it happens for someone else, why isn’t that happening for us, and all the comparison stuff that we all do. This is why my work is hard to define. People say, “What do you do?” I don’t even know how to wrap my head around explaining it because the deceased led me to work on the living. The deceased led me to help the living bust out of our own traps and our own limited thinking.
One doorway to work is to look at your core beliefs. I don’t think it requires as much faith as it does awareness because faith is a hard thing for me. I have a hard time believing something that I can’t prove, and that’s the way I’m wired. I always say, “I can’t believe that our loved ones are with us.” I can’t believe that on faith. I needed proof of that. That’s what I sought out. I’m not saying that’s the right way to be, but I’m saying that’s how I am wired.
Faith or belief. For me to find faith, I have to look at what is running my show in my head. Where is my brain going? We have unconscious conditioning that gets in our way. It makes or breaks us. The conditioning that is good, we keep it. We don’t touch it. The conditioning that is not great, we need to tweak it, and we tweak it over time.
With that, I would say go back to the core belief and see what’s showing up, and then challenge those core beliefs. “This is how it was in the past, but I’m done with that story.” We’re great wonderful storytellers. When we tell stories meaning, “I can’t do that because” or “This happens that way because,” we just keep ourselves in a conscious loop of the past, which is what Joe always talks about. In order to create new, we must come from a clear almost neutral space of creation moving forward.
I love the word create because that’s how I feel like I’m answering my own question. Any time I feel stuck, the results aren’t showing up fast enough, or I’m not getting what I want, I start creating and I get back into creation mode. I don’t know if this is right or whatever, but for me, it means that I am lobbing balls up to the universe. I got that from Mike Dooley’s Unlimited Possibilities. He was like, “Just hit those tennis balls. Keep lobbing those balls up. Eventually, you’re going to get one served back to you.”
Sometimes it could feel like I’m throwing spaghetti at the wall, but it’s just forward movement. If anyone out there is feeling stuck in grief, in results not showing up fast enough, or, wherever you’re feeling stuck or trapped, my advice is to get into motion and start creating something. Creation could be anything. It could be writing, journaling, or doing a social media video. It could be creating anything. It doesn’t even have to be toward the thing that you want, but get into creation mode. What would you say about that?
Creation mode and stillness. Stillness is one of the highest creation modes, which our generation was not taught stillness. We were taught hustle, grind, go, go, go, work, work, work, work. That is a great attribute until we keep resorting to that and expecting a different result. It comes back to challenges like, “Where is this creation work coming from? I feel like if I work hard, then I’ll be rewarded,” or are we just recreating our conditioning? I know I fall into that trap all the time.
Stillness is one of the highest creation modes.
I worked with my NLP coach a long time ago on the word hustle. During our coaching sessions, he asked me, “How do you feel when you use the word hustle?” I got still and I felt in my body. I said, “It doesn’t feel good. It feels like a hamster on a wheel.” He was like, “Let’s think of a new word instead.” We came up with “Jennerate.” I spelled it with j-e-n-n.
How cute. I love that.
When I say it, it feels lighter, it feels fun, and it feels forward motion, but not in a way that feels like grinding, like I have to grind through something. That’s a good distinction, especially for me. I hope anyone out there can resonate. Hustle feels like a grind, but maybe we can create and be in more flow, even in the stillness. That sounds much better.
That is exactly what I mean. It’s an individual endeavor because hustle might be a word for someone else that gets them going. Everyone is different. We have to take it back to ourselves and go, “Is that feeling right for me?” If it’s a no, then it’s a no. The end of the story. It could be great for everyone else on the planet but not you, and then we say, “That doesn’t work for me.”
Our language goes back to vibration, which vibration is energy. We have to be aware of how our own language contributes to our outcome. That’s why the deceased with energy brings me into the living because this requires a lot of self-introspection, being truthful and honest with myself about myself, and then taking some sort of action. Stillness is an action as well.
Getting into meditation is an action that’s getting you into stillness. The buzzwords for me are frequency and vibration. I could talk about it all day long. For people who don’t get that concept, in the last six months to a year, I started sprinkling it into my keynotes because I’m like, “This is what I’m into. This is what’s resonating with me. Let me throw it out there and see what happens.
Sure enough, in the last few big keynotes that I’ve done, people come up to me, usually a handful. They’re like, “When you talk about vibration and frequency, I get it. I get what you’re saying.” You can tell that there are certain people who are learning this stuff. Maybe it’s through social media. Maybe it’s through books or a lot of the speakers that you mentioned in the beginning. What would be the 101 of frequency and vibration that you can share with us?
I teach an intensive workshop called Energy Transformation Awareness. We call it ETA, which is also the Estimated Time of Arrival on yourself. It’s a very deep emotional process where we start to recognize and unravel our conditioning. In that, we get to see our vibration of the past. If we feel stuck, it’s probably more resonating with our childhood consciousness and vibration. How do we break out of that? I’m doing a workshop in November around this, using yoga principles to how we move the energy in our body.
How Hustle Feels In Your Body
First, we need to know how to experience the energy. As you said, your practitioner said, “How does hustle feel in your body?” That would be the first step, ask. How does it feel to talk about whatever you’re talking about in your body, and become aware? “I get a headache, it’s exciting, I get a forward feeling, or I get this feeling.” Identify how this is manifesting in your body. However it is manifesting experience in the body, that’s how it’s going to show up outside. If it doesn’t feel good in the body, we want to go, “Hold on. Let me find some better language around that. Let me find some better stories around that. Let me weave a new tale for myself,” AKA affirmations.
I don’t believe in saying affirmations willy-nilly. We need to go through a deep process of creating affirmations that cause resonance in the body. It’s paying attention to like, “Where am I at? How does this feel? Does this feel right for me?” It could be right for eight billion people on the planet and not be right for you, which means it’s not right for you
Transforming Our Relationships
All of this is so much to think about. When I think of Dr. Joe’s work, what resonated was picturing that every thought and every word has a vibration, and a vibration makes a wave, and the wave has a frequency. Every word that we’re saying and every thought that we’re thinking will cause a feeling and that feeling is going to spread out into your universe. We have so much more power to transform ourselves and our lives, and even have an impact on the world, than we even can imagine. It’s about making the choices like, “Do I want to be active? Do I want to be proactive in the creation of my future or not?”
What gets in the way of people is that they don’t want to see what’s not working for them. Everybody wants to jump into the outcome. If we try to jump into the outcome, we’re not doing the cleanup of the past vibration. We have to get honest with ourselves like, “I have a very limited belief system around this,” or “I have a very competitive nature. How do I smooth that out for myself? How do I make that work for me in a way that feels good?” We have to be honest.
A lot of people want to skip that part because that part is sticky. It doesn’t feel good. It’s emotional too. When we want to transform, what do we want to do? We want to skip the negative emotions. I use the negative emotions. I visualize them as if they’re coal. I don’t know if you’ve ever held a piece of coal. When you touch a piece of coal, it gets black soot everywhere. You can’t be around it without it sticking to you. Negative emotions, I prefer to call them unfavorable emotions because negative makes us think they’re bad emotions. They’re not bad. They are just not the ones we want.
When these unfavorable emotions are like coal, they get dirt on everything and make everything seem so sticky. Under the right circumstances, let’s say a fire. If we put coal in a fire, that will make a steam train go. I use the visual of if I use my negative emotions or my unfavorable emotions in a good condition or under the right conditions, I can then power transformation. We all talk about, “You have to think positively.” I’m a 1,000 percent that, but we can’t genuinely think positively if we have unconscious residual negative core beliefs. It makes it so much harder. We have a look at the past to catapult us into the future.
I love that. Will you share the different ways that you work with clients?
Mediumship session. Usually, most people come to me to connect with a loved one. Hopefully. I help people to know, “Your loved one is there.” They have not missed a beat. They’re doing fine. They have a good spot right there. They are way luckier than we are. They’re not in this realm anymore.” As we work on that and the grief changes, then people start showing up for more intuitive coaching in life. How do we do this? Now that I’m restabilized from my loss, I’d like to focus on my finances, my career, my kids, my spouse, my relationship, or whatever it is. It moves. My work with people moves according to their needs.
I also saw on your website that you’re leading retreats. What kind of retreats? Where can people learn about your retreats?
Angels On Earth
I’ve been to a specific place called Mystica in Costa Rica where the owners and the practitioners there are truly the closest things to angels on Earth that I’ve ever met. They are so present and truly in service to humans on a deep spiritual level. I’m leading a retreat to France next October.
Where in France?
It’s in a teeny town. I’m forgetting it but it’s in the southern part of France, near Toulouse, but it’s remote. I’m not sure what the theme of that one will be. Probably some deep introspection. I’m thinking of moving into stillness. Those are ways to work with me. I do a lot of online workshops. Meditation is a staple of what I teach. Daily meditation at 6:00 AM on Zoom.
Really? 6:00 AM Eastern.
Yeah, 6:00 AM Eastern.
I’m not going to do that at 3:00 AM. Sorry.
My West Coasters are like, “It’s not happening,” unless they’re up all night, they tell me. Weekly meditation at 8:00 PM on Sunday, which is a whole co-creation of energy where everybody is in attendance at the meditation. It energetically contributes to the formation of the meditations. It’s a guided meditation. I’ve been doing that for twenty years. I never repeated the same one twice because the makeup of the group is different every single week.
I want to come to that. I need to get on your newsletter list. How can people get on your list or find out more about your offerings?
Go to my website, DeborahHanlon.com. They can find it all there. They can email my office, which is [email protected].
I have a million other questions but I think I’m going to have to invite you back for a round-two if you would be willing in the new year. Before we go, I have four rapid-fire questions that I love to ask all my guests. Are you ready?
I’m as ready as I think I’ll be.
I just heard this bell and I think it was upstairs. That’s perfect timing. Number one, what was your favorite food when you were a child?
Pizza.
This is a perfect question for you. If you can have a drink with anyone dead or alive, who would it be and what would be your drink?
Hands down, Albert, Einstein and it would not matter what I could drink because I would be drinking him in. It could be water one day. It could be a Cabernet another day. It could be anything in between
Great answer. What would be your favorite personal development book?
What’s coming to me is Broken Open by Elizabeth Lesser.
I need to look that up. Last but not least. What’s your favorite hype song that gets you going?
Right now, I’m into “thanK you aIMee” by Taylor Swift.
Deborah, thank you so much for coming on and for talking about hard subjects like grief. Anyone out there, if you are grieving right now or know someone who’s grieving, please send this to them. What you shared with everyone can bring at least some sort of comfort, knowing that this is not it, folks. This is not the end. We have many other lifetimes to live and many chances to reconnect with our loved ones. Thank you so much for that. Anything else you want to leave us with?
I hope this makes people a little more curious. Curious like, “What is out there for me? What are you talking about there’s more for us? What do you mean?” Curiosity is another doorway to transformation. Maybe if you’ve got a little curious, you’re on your way.
With that, everyone, thank you so much. Make sure you share, subscribe, rate, leave us a review, and all the things because they help boost the badassery in general. Stay curious. See you next time.
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About Deborah Hanlon
Deborah Hanlon: Transformational Guide, Medium, and Author
For over two decades, Deborah Hanlon has empowered people to harness the transformative power of grief, helping them to heal, grow, and step into their highest potential. With a unique blend of science, spirituality, and intuition, Deborah leads her clients on a journey of self-awareness, tapping into their inner strength to unlock the lives they are destined to live. Her teachings, grounded in both psychology and metaphysics, offer a refreshing realism that honors skepticism and celebrates the mystery of the human spirit.
Deborah’s life’s work began at the tender age of three when the loss of her younger brother set her on an unstoppable quest to understand life beyond death. That early curiosity ignited a lifelong exploration of mediumship, not as a channel for external forces, but as a journey inward—where our deepest connections to spirit, truth, and self lie.
An author of the compelling book In the Presence of Proof, Deborah masterfully weaves together personal experiences and scientific insights, proving that the afterlife and consciousness are far more interconnected than we realize. She’s not just a teacher but a mentor, deeply inspired by visionaries like Joe Dispenza, Albert Einstein, and Bruce Lipton, as well as the everyday wisdom she gleans from her husband and three sons.
Deborah holds a Master’s degree in psychology, with an emphasis on positive and somatic psychology, bringing both a scientific and compassionate lens to her workshops and retreats. In 2025, she’ll be leading international retreats in Costa Rica and France, guiding participants to reconnect with their inner truth and heal their spirit. Her second book, set for release in 2025, promises to be another transformative tool in the journey of self-awareness.
